Shri Mataji Nirmala Devi

Garlate, Italy
6 August 1988 

Today we have gathered here to worship Shri Krishna. We must understand the significance of Shri Krishna’s advent on the Vishuddhi Chakra. As you know very well, except for once or twice, Shri Brahmadeva has taken his incarnation. Also once Shri Ganesha has taken His birth as Lord Jesus Christ. But Vishnu Tattwa, the principle of Vishnu, has taken many a times birth on this earth, as the Goddess had to take many a times Her birth. They had to work together many a times, and with the principle of Vishnu, the principle of Mahalakshmi has acted to help the ascent of the peopleSo the principle of Vishnu is for your ascent, for the evolutionary process of human beings, through this advent and through the power of Mahalakshmi, we have become human beings from amoeba stage. This is a spontaneous working for us, but for the principle of Vishnu, He had to go through various incarnations to evolve. As you know, there have been incarnations of Shri Vishnu as a fish, to begin with, and went on till it came to the state of Shri Krishna, where they say that He has become complete.

But, one has to realise that He works on our central nervous system, He builds our central nervous system. Through our evolutionary process, our central nervous system has been built up, and this central nervous system has given us all the human awareness that we have; otherwise we would have been just like the stones. But through this building up of our awareness, one after another, building up different chakras within us, this principle of Vishnu has brought us to the understanding that we have to seek the truth and ultimately we have to become Sahaja Yogis.

So this principle of Shri Krishna is so important that at the state, as you call it, the Vishuddhi chakra, we become complete, in the sense that when the Sahasrara is opened out for you and you start feeling the vibrations, you are not yet fully complete. If you were just complete then it would have been an end of your evolution, because at that stage, if you had finished it, then there was no need to have Sahaja Yoga. But actually it means that once the Sahasrara is opened out, then you have to come down to your Vishuddhi chakra, that means to your collective. If it is not working on your Vishuddhi chakra, the enlightenment on Vishuddhi chakra, you cannot feel the vibrations. As you saw yesterday, the artists started playing in a very new dimension. It’s not that only they got awakening of the Kundalini, the awakening of the Kundalini was there, no doubt, but it had to come down to their Vishuddhi chakra. If I could not have brought it back to their Vishuddhi chakra, their hands could not have moved that fast, they would have never felt the sweetness, the madhurya of Shri Krishna and they would not have manifested it. So all that is expressed through your fingers and hands achieves that new awareness of creating the madhurya, the sweetness.

In your art, in your music, in your gestures, in every way, your hands are very important. But Vishuddhi chakra also plays part, as you know, on the sixteen chakras or the sub-plexuses which look after our face, our ears, nose, eyes, neck, all these things are looked after by Vishuddhi chakra. As a result also, you can become great actors, you can have eyes which are innocent, you can have a skin which is shining, you can have ears which can hear the Divine music, you can have a nose which shows your dignity.

In the same way your whole facial expression changes. If you are a very harsh person and a hot-tempered person and you have harshness on your face, or else if you are like a beggar all the time, or you are crying all the time, weeping, your face looks so miserable, everything changes and comes into the centre, where you look beautiful, you look attractive, in the Divine way, and also you get a very sweet countenance. Also the teeth and the tongue are looked after by the Vishuddhi chakra. So your teeth, which are in trouble get cured, you sometimes as I told you, I have never been to a dentist all my life, so you can imagine that you don’t have to go to the dentist any more if you have your Vishuddhi chakra all right. Then, also your tongue improves, for example, some people are very sarcastic by temperament, they cannot say something sweetly, all the time they are sarcastic, saying sarcastic things. Some people have a habit of abusive language, some people are extremely beggarish type, all the time talking in a very beggarish manner. There’s no dignity, there’s no sweetness and there is no self-confidence for some people. Some people even stammer, some people cannot stand on the stage and give a lecture. All these things drop out as soon as your Vishuddhi chakra improves.

This is only outward, this is the outward manifestation of the Vishuddhi chakra’s improvement within yourself, through the awakening of Shri Krishna on Vishuddhi chakra. But what happens really is that, inside you, you become a witness. You become a witness in the sense that all that is disturbing, all that is troubling you, all that is a problem, you just start watching it, you start witnessing it, you start seeing it, and you do not get disturbed. That seeing, that witnessing state has a tremendous power, whatever you see without thinking, your problems get solved. Any problem you have, once you get this witness state, what you call tatasth means you are standing on the shores and watching the waves to move, then you know how to solve the problems. So your witness state has to be developed and sometimes I have seen people have to go through little difficulties to develop that witness state.

This is very important that once the Kundalini starts supplying you from your Sahasrara downward, moving on your chakras and enriching your different chakras, on the Vishuddhi chakra, when it has to stay, it really tries to, little bit, take you through turmoils; and you start thinking that ‛See now, my life was so blissful, I had so many blessings, and now what has happened?“ But this is the time when you should become tatastha, means you should become a witness, if you become a witness everything improves. For example, you are say a person who is working in some place, as soon as you become a witness, you see, your attention goes inside and you start watching things from inside out, as a result you see exactly what’s wrong where, and as you have got the power of witnessing, with that power you get over the problems that you have. Problems get solved very easily if you know how to witness the whole situation than to get involved into it. And this is the best state, which you call as Sakshiswarupatva, which you achieve when the Kundalini comes up and the connection is established and the Divine ray starts ((flowing?) falling) through that, and enriches your Vishuddhi chakra.

Now the name of Shri Krishna has come from the word krishi meaning the ploughing, ploughing of the soil for planting the crops. Now He is the one who has done the ploughing for us, in the sense that He has created us in such a manner that when the sprouting has to be done you are already ready for it. But as it is we human beings spoil our Vishuddhi chakra by many wrong things, as you have seen, that we smoke or we take drugs, or we take tobaccos and all that, so our Vishuddhi chakra goes out. On top of that, if you are a person who doesn’t talk at all or who talks too much or who shouts and screams and who shows temper, raises his voices, also spoils his Vishuddhi chakra. So, the first thing is that in your using the Vishuddhi chakra you have to remember it is to be used for sweetness, for madhurya. If you want to say something to someone, try to say something that is sweet and nice, practice it. In certain places I have seen that people are used to a kind of a talk and sometimes they cannot talk in the fashion that is sweet, for them it is adharma as if, to talk sweetly to someone. They only believe that you must really talk in a manner that will hurt others. So hurting anybody is not in the dharma of Shri Krishna. He either killed somebody or He was sweet, there’s nothing in between. Either you have to be sweet to people or you have to kill someone, now killing part you leave it. So you have to be only sweet. You all have to be sweet to each other, specially among Sahaja Yogis, you have to be extremely sweet to each other, and dealing with others also, sweetly you have to tell them. If you find anything wrong with them that, ‛See, this is not good, you are now come to Sahaja Yoga, now you must behave like this or behave like that.“

Now Shri Krishna’s life has another very significant role to play, that is He came on this earth after Shri Rama’s advent, who was also Shri Vishnu. When Shri Rama came the people were very ignorant, they had no idea about dharma. So as a king He wanted to teach them dharma and so He had to become very serious. So his incarnation was something of a very serious father who is very seriously undergoing all kinds of turmoils and things and to create an image of a benevolent king. As a result when He, His incarnation was over, people became very serious-minded and all the seriousness started in the religion, all the ritualism started; people became extremely rigid and that rigidity killed all the joy of life and then all kinds of other things also started with that rigidity, is the beginning of Brahmanism. Brahmanism started in India when people started using Brahmanism as a birthright, while it is not a birthright of anyone to be a Brahmin, but you have to become a Brahmin. After realisation you become a Brahmin, this fact is established not only in Shri Krishna’s time but also in Shri Rama’s time because Shri Rama Himself was not a Brahmin. He made a person to write His Ramayana, who was Valmiki, who was a shidul caste and was a fisherman. Very surprising, He asked this fisherman to write his Ramayana when he was not a Brahmin; and He made him a Brahmin, in the sense, as you have become Brahmins, means knowing the Brahma. Those who know the Brahma are the Brahmins and not those who are born in the Brahmin caste are Brahmins. And that is why people sometimes get very upset that how can these be Brahmins if they are so perverse, and they can commit all kinds of sins.

So by following any such religion or any such rigid ideas you cannot improve. If you call yourself a Christian then one thing has to be seen in a Christian that you cannot have adulterous eyes. Now I would like to know how many Christians can claim that. If they have no adulterous eyes about, say, women, they’ll have adulterous eyes about things. So you cannot say that, by becoming Christians, we have become really Christians; in the same way we can say about Hindus. In the Hindu religion, Krishna has said that the Atma resides in everyone. He never said that the birth determines your jati, your caste. But among Hindus we believe that everybody has a jati and that everybody is a separate thing; some people are to be treated as low, some as high. This is just the opposite what Shri Krishna has preached, because He said in everybody there is Atma.

And now in Sahaja Yoga we have proved that whatever religion you may follow, whatever things you follow, ideas or philosophy, whatever you may follow, you all can become realised souls; so nobody is higher, nobody is lower. Is the best thing is to believe that all others are wrong and we are correct. But all of those people who believe like this may have to go to hell directly, because they have not reached the truth. The truth is you have to become a realised soul, and if you are not a realised soul you are nowhere near God. You have to enter into the Kingdom of God. Christ himself has said that, ‛You have to enter into the Kingdom of God. You are to be born again, and when you’ll be calling me Christ, Christ, I won’t recognise you.“ Openly He has said it, He has warned you. Same about Mohamed Sahib Himself has said ‛When the time of (not sure of spelling-Qayama,)is resurrection will come, your hands will speak“. And He has also said very clearly, ‛Till the Qayama you do all those things, like, you see, (spelling-rosaiya (?)) and all that. But when the Qayama comes, when you get your resurrection then you don’t have to do it.“ Clearly He said it. But nobody is trying to find out the Qayama, only they’re trying to find faults with this or that and fight with each other.

Now this Resurrection time He has already mentioned, when your hands will speak, is in Sahaja Yoga. So after this you don’t have to do anything. Now you have become a Pir according to Him. Once you have become a wali you don’t have to do all these things and you become dharmatit. Is said also in Indian philosophy by Shri Krishna, ‛That you become dharmatit, you go beyond religion;“ means religion becomes part and parcel of you. You don’t have to have outside religions which are of no use, is clearly said, and Shri Krishna has said it as clearly as anybody could say it, very, very clearly, that you have to go beyond your gunas, beyond your dharmas, that means you have to become a person who is religious innately and not to become a person who is just outwardly something like Christian, Hindu, Muslim, no inside., Inside you have to become. Now as a result of that you have seen what Shri Krishna has said that, ‛Once you become from inside then I don’t have to tell you, don’t drink, don’t do this, don’t do that, nothing.“ You just don’t do it, you just don’t do it, and you understand it so well that this should not be done, that should not be done. To overcome all kinds of nonsense of religion Shri Krishna’s advent was there. Is a very important advent but I don’t know how many people understand that. He came to show that it’s all Leela, is all the play of God. What is there to be serious? What is there to be ritualistic? You cannot bind God in any rituals. That’s why He came on this Earth, to tell you that you should not try to bind yourself by rituals, which are nonsensical. This was his teaching so many years back, He taught this six thousand years back but still, if you see in every religion there are so many rituals going on.

So when the incarnations died, people started rituals, funny stuff, even when Shri Krishna died, they didn’t know what to do now. Because He said, ‛No more rituals, just play Holi, be happy, joyous, dance and sing,“ that’s what He said, now what to do now, if He has said so? So they started a new thing, let us make it a romantic stuff.

Human beings know how to make everything perverse, nobody can beat them in this. So they made Him look like a very romantic personality, romancing with Radha. Radha, Ra is energy, Dha is the one who has sustained energy. So show romances with Her when She was Mahalakshmi Herself. To show His relationship with Mahalakshmi as if they were Husband and Wife. So there were also some poets who started describing them as husband and wife, and all kinds of nonsense. In Divine relationship there is nothing like husband and wife; is the power which is potential, and power that is kinetic. There is no such relationship that exists as human beings try to make it, because human beings have a habit to bring all the Divine Incarnations to their own levels. As you have seen that, if you see, the best are the Greeks, who brought all the great Incarnations to their own levels. In the same way they could not do much with Shri Krishna so they said, ‛All right, make him a romantic personality, that will suit us.“ So it suited many horrible people. We had one Nawab in Lucknow who had 365 wives and he used to dress up like Shri Krishna, sometimes like Radha, and dance and he said, ‛Now I have become Shri Krishna.“ So, so many, you know, gurus came as Shri Krishna playing flute, becoming, calling everybody else as their gopis and this and that, all nonsense and we have so many groups now working like that, Brahma Kumaris and all that. When there is one Krishna, the rest are all gopis and gopas and they don’t marry and all kinds of nonsense. This is absolutely absurd and perverse and brings bad name to Shri Krishna.

Shri Krishna was Yogeshwara. He was Yogeshwara, He was so detached that once His wives, who were His powers, and they said that, ‛We want to go across and worship a particular saint.“ They said, ‛All right, why don’t you go?“ They said,“ No, the river is in spate and we don’t know how to cross the river.“ He said, ‛All right, you go and tell the river that we want to go and see such and such saint and Shri Krishna has said you come down. If Shri Krishna is Yogeshwara and if He has had no wife then you go down.“ So they went to the river and said that ‛If Shri Krishna has had no wives and He is a Yogeshwara then please go down“. The river went down. They were surprised, that He is supposed to be our husband and still He is Yogeshwara. He is so detached. They crossed over and they went and worshipped the saint. So the saint said, ‛Now you can go back.“ When they were coming back, they found again the river was in spate. So they went back to the saint and he said, ‛Now how do we go back?“

He said, ‛How did you come?“.

He said, ‛Shri Krishna said that you go and ask the river if I was a Yogeshwarathen you go down.“

‛All right, so you go and ask the river that the saint did not eat anything whatsoever and he was absolutely detached about it, so the river will go down.“

So they were surprised because they had fed him, he had ate everything, he had done everything. So they went to the river and said, ‛Oh river, the saint never ate anything, he was absolutely detached about food, he did not touch the food,“ And the river went down. So they were surprised, how is it the saint ate everything and did not eat anything?. Means he was in aswadha, he was not involved into the food, he was detached and they were surprised. Looks like, it looks like a lie from a, see, human point of view, it is not. It is not, that’s a fact.

He is a Yogeshwara and He is so detached. So people don’t understand Divinity and they think that how can it be a person who has 16,000 wives and five other wives can be a person who is not yet married? Because He was Yogeshwara, and that is what you all have to be, Yogeshwara. You are married, you have got children, I’m happy you are married because that’s a auspicious thing to do, to marry to begin with; But you should not get involved with your family, my child, my family. Many people I have seen, they come to Sahaja Yoga, get married and get lost; because to them, married now, I’m enjoying my family now, looking after my family. Our family is the whole universe, it is not just my own wife and my children but the whole Universe is our family, and this is what Shri Krishna tried to show in his life that the whole Universe is your family.

You are a universal being. This is what He preached throughout, that you are a universal being and you have to be a part and parcel of the whole. You are the part and parcel of the whole, the microcosm becomes the macrocosm, and this is not a lecture but has to happen within yourself, that you have to develop your collective consciousness, and this is the gift of Shri Krishna, because at the brain He becomes the Virata.

So now we have three identities within ourselves. On the heart is Shiva, in the brain is Shri Krishna, the Virata, and in the liver, Brahmadeva. So we have three identities and in the stomach, in the Void as you say, are all the Guru Tattwa where all the great Gurus from Adi Nath, Mohamed Sahib and others, up to, we can say, Shirdi Sai Nath; all of them are the Guru principle which we worshipped last time when we were in Andorra.So how they are all related with each other, how they have worked out together and brought you to the state of this witness is very important. Now your Vishuddhi chakra has to be improved. First of all, this feeling guilty business was so much yesterday that, I tell you it was impossible to pull it out. There’s nothing to feel guilty, it’s a fashion, just a fashion. ‛I’m sorry“ morning till evening ‛I’m sorry, I’m sorry,“ What are you sorry for, for being a human being or for a Sahaja Yogi?So one has to be very pleasant towards oneself also. All the time I’m sorry, I should not have done this, I should not have done that. All the time feeling sorry and feeling guilty spoils your left Vishuddhi. As your left Vishuddhi is spoilt what happens is that your Shri Krishna Tattwa is gone. Then you cannot feel the collective, then you cannot understand what has gone wrong with you. So just if you have to say sorry also, say sorry to God and after that don’t say sorry anymore. You face it. Whatever you have done wrong, all right face it! This was wrong, all right it will not be done. Do not argue with it, do not continue with it, just face it and say this was wrong, and this wrong I will not do again, and it’s finished, for you are after all saints now. You have become now walis, you have become now realised souls, you have become now atmajas. You have got Brahmachaitanya, you have seen on your heads there was light, you have seen the proof of it. So I don’t have to give you a second certificate. Only thing, you better understand and be aware of your own position, as Shri Krishna has said, ‛You have to be aware of your Self.“

First to get self-realisation and then to be aware of your position. Then you’ll be surprised how you develop proper attention and proper understanding. Absolutely it is a easy thing to do as soon as you find that you have achieved that witness state. So please try to make yourself a witness. When you see something, go into thoughtless awareness that is your fort. Don’t think, see the beauty that is there, just pouring in, just watch how these trees are standing still just watching you all. See absolutely still, nothing is moving, they don’t allow even one leaf to move. Let it be. Till the breeze starts, Mother starts the breeze, till we’ll just keep quiet and watch. Like these mountains how they are steadily watching everything and emitting joy and beauty. In the same way, we have to become a witness. We need not talk too much, we need not keep quiet but in the centre we should witness the whole thing as Leela. That’s why He is called as Leeladhara, means the one who sustains the Leela of a person. It doesn’t make you mad, it doesn’t make you funny, but it makes you joyous. Anything that makes you joyous is the Vishnu principle of Shri Krishna.

I hope all of us are going to enjoy our Vishnu principle hereafter as we have enjoyed before by meditating. Because when we meditate we go into thoughtless awareness. When we are in thoughtless awareness, then only we grow, otherwise we cannot grow. Whatever we may try we cannot grow. Unless and until we meditate we cannot become thoughtlessly aware. All those who also want to gain in any walk of life, in any dimension, those who want to become say, great artists, great scientists, great anything, in Sahaja Yoga is important you must meditate, otherwise the Kundalini will come down and you lose all your talents. That’s a fact, which has to be told, and you have seen how people got transformed, but sometimes it can be very temporary and it may go down if people do not take to it in the proper way. I wish you all very great luck for your witness state. In the witness state, we do not any way express ourselves in a funny manner but just in looking at ourselves; because only we have created all the problems and it is we only, detaching ourselves from ourselves, can see these problems and can solve them.

By God’s Grace, as I know, you all are going to grow very much, and this state is to be achieved. In every state whether it is a blessing, whether it is a progress or whether it is just turmoil, you have to be seaworthy. Any ship which is a sea worthy, is the one which can face all kinds of beautiful voyages or even turmoils and even the tempest.

May God bless you.